Episode 4: Fear of flying & processing grief

The CBT Dive

What is the connection between aerophobia and grieving the loss of a parent with whom you had a complicated relationship? On the surface, these things are seemingly unrelated. However, for my special celebrity guest Zoë Ligon who examines her experiences of panic while flying, we began to understand the panic as a trigger for past trauma and terror about returning to a time of compromised safety. We found some meaning in the airborne space between destinations (a kind of limbo) and began to conceptualize it as a unique site where contradictions can exist. That is, we can process the complex grief of a father who was both abusive and loving.
Note: Usually, a phobia is met with a CBT tool that focuses on behaviour more than thoughts, such as an 'exposure hierarchy'. This episode demonstrates how a thought record might also be useful in such an instance.
SPECIAL GUEST:
Zoë Ligon (aka the “Dildo Duchess”) is a sex educator, writer, badass artist, and owner of the very cool and well-curated Spectrum Boutique--an online education-oriented sex toy store based out of Detroit: https://spectrumboutique.com
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The CBT Dive is a video podcast that brings therapy skills to the real world. Each episode welcomes a new guest who wants to explore a challenging situation using the most common cognitive behavioural therapy tool: the thought record.
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Rahim Thawer is a queer, racialized social worker and psychotherapist based in Toronto. He's created The CBT Dive podcast to support folks who want to learn how to use a thought record and to demystify what therapy can look like.
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