Episode 52 - Interview with Jackie Werboff: NARM Therapist on the Neuro Affective Relational Model and the Journey of Recovery

Siblinghood of Recovery

To have Jackie Werboff on this Podcast is nothing short of an incredible honor. Jackie directly contributed to my own Recovery through an offering space to begin understanding, in the most compassionate of ways, how my own childhood development was impacting the Family System I sought to build. I hope you enjoy this conversation that includes the NeuroAffective Relational Model(NARM) model of Therapy, attunement between parent and child, substance use as self-medication for unmet emotional needs in teens, the value of the 12 Step Program, and more. We explore options to help the Family system through therapy, learning, and relational-model engagement, all of which contribute to becoming healthier humans and healthier parents for our kids. As with each instance of engagement with Jackie, we end with hope.
1:15 - 2:55 - Dr. Larry Heller, What is NARM?
3:55 - Developmental verses Shock Trauma
5:45 - Mis-attunement
6:30 - Attuning at the parental level
10:15 - The impossibility of being constantly emotionally attuned
11:35 - Self medication specific to substance misuse
12:30 - Unmet needs and emotional pain
12:45 - Strategies: read about the Core Surviving Strategies here
14:10 - The power of words
16:15 - Shame and the impact on Recovery
17:00 - The challenge of behavior in substance misuse and how NARM can help navigate this challenge
19:00 - How Recovery can re-set a Family
19:50 - Addiction is a Family System challenge
20:50 - The dead-end of blame
21:55 - Apologizing as a Parent and the value that offers our Children
23:10 - Accountability
24:20 - The 12 Steps and Recovery
27:00 - NARM Therapy and listening
27:35 - Curiosity and NARM
28:00 - Breaking down the power dynamics in the therapeutic relationship
30:45 - Self regulation and the importance of having a caregiver self-regulate
33:35 - Nervous System Therapeutic approaches (Somatic and Polyvagal)
33:45 - Dr. Stephen Porges
33:50 - The Polyvagal Institute, About Deb
34:30 - Jackie's Contact info at Wide Awake Counseling
35:35 - The Journey
Thank you for listening and please visit www.siblinghoodofrecovery.com for free resources, links to organizations, groups and individuals who can offer help in the Journey of Recovery towards healing from substance use disorders. If you like this Podcast, please leave a rating on wherever you're listening. It will help to get the word out.
If there is one message I can leave you with, the best you can offer your loved one battling addiction is love and a healthier you.
Walk gently, my friend.