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Exploring the intersection of queer identity and catholicism - sharing stories of those who've left, remained, and created their own journeys; providing commentary on the catholic church's harmful teachings; helping those who've been hurt.

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Coming Out As Gay In Canadian Catholic Hockey Culture - @bradyvandruenen's Story 48:47

4 дні тому48:47

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I got to sit down with @bradyvandruenen55 , a former Catholic school student and hockey player from small-town Canada, to hear his powerful story of growing up gay in a conservative Catholic environment. We dive into Catholic sex ed, hockey locker room culture, the mental gymnastics of trying to be someone you're not, and what it was like to finally break free and come out. This one’s for anyone who’s ever felt trapped by faith, family, or fear. You can follow Brady on: Youtube: @bradyvandruenen55 TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bradyvandruenen Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/bradyvandruenen/ 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:14 Brady's TikTok Journey 03:12 Growing Up Catholic 05:22 Sex Education and Early Conflicts 08:48 Struggles with Identity 18:25 Coming Out and Self-Acceptance 24:07 The Journey of Self-Acceptance 24:30 Coming Out to Friends and Colleagues 26:15 Family Reactions and Challenges 31:21 Navigating High School and Religion 32:08 Experiences in Hockey Culture 38:02 Life After Coming Out 38:17 Advocacy and Future Goals 46:05 Final Thoughts and Advice To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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The Ultimate Guide to Coming Out - A Philosopher's Perspective 33:55

5 weeks тому33:55

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This is the ultimate guide to coming out—philosophically, practically, and personally. Whether you’re just starting to question your identity, preparing for your first conversation, or figuring out how to rebuild your life after coming out, this video is for you. As someone who almost became a Catholic priest and now helps coach others through the coming out process, I’ve condensed everything I know—from identity labels to safety planning, to navigating family, faith, and fear—into this one video. You’ll find conversation scripts, tips, community, and real-life encouragement. Your life doesn’t start when you have all the answers. It starts the moment you get to breathe. 00:00 Intro 02:15 Understanding the Coming Out Process 11:58 The Importance of Labels and Identity 14:18 Planning and Safety Considerations 16:49 Building a Coming Out Plan 20:21 Navigating Conversations and Reactions 26:11 The Reality of Life After Coming Out 28:50 Cade's Personal Coming Out Letter 32:46 Final Thoughts and Encouragement To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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Being Gay At The Most Conservative Catholic Universities - Newman Guide - @leavelaughlove 1:24:33

5 weeks тому1:24:33

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In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, Cade chats with Evelyn from Leave Laugh Love about the hidden world of Newman Guide colleges — those elite, ultra-conservative Catholic universities designed to "protect" young adults from the real world. Evelyn shares her experience attending Franciscan University, the cult-like enforcement of Catholic morality, the double lives queer students are forced to live, and the gaslighting that comes with leaving. We dive into everything from purity culture to fake academic rigor, campus surveillance, and why these colleges are obsessed with Jordan Peterson and Lila Rose. If you’re wondering whether these schools are holy havens or Catholic cults — this episode is for you. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction 01:08 Criteria for Newman Guide Schools 03:05 Personal Experiences at Newman Guide Schools 06:23 Life at Franciscan University 21:25 Homeschooling and Academic Challenges 24:29 Critical Thinking and Education 36:47 Student Life and Social Dynamics 42:16 The Role of Religion in Student Life 45:20 Debating Sin and Personal Relationships 49:16 Questioning Research and Studies 01:09:45 Leaving the Catholic University 01:21:21 Final Thoughts and Advice To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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Eucharistic Miracles Are FAKE - Actual Scientist Review "Scientific Evidence" of Catholic Miracle Claims w/ @Nontradicath 1:16:38

7 weeks тому1:16:38

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Join the community and join the group discussion on discord: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad I’m joined by Kevin for a deep dive into one of Catholicism’s most emotionally compelling and scientifically dubious claims: Eucharistic miracles. You’ve heard the stories—bread turning into heart tissue, bleeding hosts, and baffled scientists—but how well do these claims hold up to scrutiny? Kevin walks us through the actual studies (or lack thereof), the role of contamination, misleading narratives, and the difference between scientific integrity and religious marketing. We talk Lonciano, Buenos Aires, and Tlaxcala, plus the Catholic scientists themselves who have started to speak out. If you’ve ever felt guilt-tripped into staying Catholic because of these miracles—or you just want to understand the facts—this episode is for you. 00:00 Introduction to Eucharistic Miracles 00:34 Popular Eucharistic Miracle Claims 02:18 Scientific Investigations and Findings 04:16 Catholic Beliefs and Practices 07:57 Skepticism and Scientific Critique 20:39 Blood Type Analysis in Miracles 37:43 DNA Evidence and Its Implications 38:55 DNA Findings and Supernatural Claims 40:13 Scientific Skepticism and Contamination 45:40 Dr. Kiers' Experiment and Findings 48:05 Dr. Trian Cos' Skepticism 55:00 Economic and Social Implications of Miracles 58:55 Conclusion and Final Thoughts To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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Why Jordan Peterson Made Me An Atheist 35:21

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Jordan Peterson is famous for inspiring many to take religion seriously — but for me, he had the opposite effect. In this video, I walk you through how reading Maps of Meaning turned me from a devout Catholic who almost became a priest into an atheist — and how Peterson’s ideas unexpectedly helped me accept myself as a gay man. We'll dive into belief, metaphorical substrates, value hierarchies, meta-narratives, and why I eventually walked away from Peterson too. Strap in — it’s a journey. 00:00 Discovering Jordan Peterson's Work 03:26 Realizing Natural Explanations for Religious Benefits 05:03 Understanding Peterson's Concept of God 08:07 Metaphorical Substrate and Its Influence 09:46 The Power of Stories and Archetypes 15:35 Meta-Narratives: Finding Purpose and Direction 17:43 Questioning the Need for a Supernatural God 18:50 The Role of Belief in Religion 25:54 Embracing My Sexuality: Peterson's Indirect Influence 28:58 Why I Left Jordan Peterson Behind 30:32 Critique of Peterson's Views and Methods 34:11 Conclusion: Life Beyond Dogma To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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debunking EVERY catholic apologetic argument - ex-catholic apologists 3:21:47

7 weeks тому3:21:47

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On today's episode, we react to a 27 page document that reports to take people from agnosticism to catholicism. Myself and Colin (ex-traditional catholics) debunk this document while getting an outsider's perspective from our friend Greg (never been very religious). Let's see how catholic apologetics play out to some experienced debaters and a fresh set of eyes. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 02:39 Discussion on Proving Religion 08:11 The Big Bang and God's Existence 09:30 Critique of the Big Bang Argument 15:54 Philosophical and Scientific Counterpoints 31:37 Historical Reliability of the Gospels 43:24 Exploring Historical Claims and Mystical Accounts 44:27 Miracle Claims Across Religions 45:31 Historical Evidence for Jesus 49:13 Manuscript Evidence and Reliability 51:41 Debating the Historical Accuracy of the Gospels 01:01:04 The Role of Apologetics in Reinforcing Belief 01:06:52 Introduction to Part Two: Converting Greg 01:09:04 Did Jesus Claim to Be God? 01:25:38 Introduction to the Debate 01:26:05 The Concept of the Trinity 01:26:39 Jesus' Divinity and Historical Context 01:29:01 The 'I Am' Argument 01:34:29 Miracles and Prophecies 01:39:15 The Trilemma Argument 01:44:02 Establishing the Church 02:04:56 Questioning the Trinity and Monotheism 02:05:14 Santa Claus and Apologetics 02:06:43 Jesus Establishes the Church 02:11:45 The Church's Succession and Authority 02:15:54 Faith and the Catholic Church 02:29:57 Natural vs. Supernatural Faith 02:42:11 Critique of Catholic Charity and Unity 02:43:39 Questioning the Infallibility of the Church 02:46:25 Debating the Authority of the Church 02:49:27 Concluding Thoughts on Faith and Apologetics 02:53:39 Final Reflections and Advice To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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Was Pope Francis Really an LGBT Ally? A Critical Analysis 51:15

8 weeks тому51:15

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In this critical follow-up to our earlier reflections on Pope Francis’s passing, three gay ex-Catholics break down the truth behind the progressive myth. While headlines hail him as a revolutionary, we ask: did anything actually change for queer Catholics? From catechism clauses to conversion therapy, brunch with trans folks to doctrinal silence—this episode confronts the carefully curated optics of compassion. We’re not here to hate—just to tell the truth. What could have changed? What stayed the same? What harm still hides behind a smile? Tune in to hear three ex-believers decode the Vatican’s most PR-friendly pope. 00:00 Introduction and Today's Topic 01:00 Initial Reactions to Pope Francis 03:01 Personal Journeys and Opinions 06:09 Pope Francis' Actions and Inactions 10:04 The Church's Stance on LGBT Issues 17:13 Comparing Traditional and Progressive Catholics 22:43 Pope Francis' Legacy and Future Implications 26:44 Cultural Significance of the Latin Mass 28:18 Pope Francis' Stance on Homosexuality 29:16 The Future of Pope Francis' Legacy 31:13 The Church's Harmful Teachings on LGBTQ+ Issues 32:30 Pope Francis' Missed Opportunities for Change 37:49 The Catholic Church's Influence and Power 39:42 Pope Francis' Actions and Inactions 46:22 Concluding Thoughts on Pope Francis 50:46 Final Remarks and Farewell To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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Pope Francis LGBTQ Legacy? What He Did (and Didn’t Do) for Us 50:36

8 weeks тому50:36

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Pope Francis has passed—and within hours, I sat down with Justin from Empty Chairs for an off-the-cuff emergency podcast. As a gay ex-Catholic and a gay current Catholic, we unpack Pope Francis’s complicated legacy on LGBTQ issues. Did he really change anything? Did he do enough? Or was it all just nice-sounding words with no lasting impact? We talk about our own experiences inside the Church, from being denied vocations to being fired for our sexuality. We also dive into the real theological documents vs. the media narrative, and what the Church might look like under the next Pope. If you want an honest, emotionally raw, and well-informed queer Catholic perspective—you’re in the right place. 00:00 Introduction and Emergency Podcast Setup 00:46 Initial Reactions to Pope Francis' Passing 02:05 Pope Francis' Legacy on Queer Issues 03:06 Media Reactions and Public Perception 04:06 The 'Who Am I to Judge?' Controversy 05:53 Pope Francis' Ambiguity and Pastoral Approach 07:29 Conservative Backlash and Church Politics 09:06 Pope Francis' Stance on Homosexuality and Church Teachings 11:26 Personal Stories and Church Discrimination 22:45 Pope Francis' Impact on Vocations and Priestly Celibacy 27:35 Addressing the Pope's Controversial Statements 28:22 Personal Experiences with Church Rejection 29:28 Pope Francis' Legacy and Impact 30:37 Hopes and Fears for the Next Pope 33:40 Challenges for LGBTQ+ Catholics 38:53 The Future of the Catholic Church 42:42 Final Thoughts and Personal Reflections To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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What Does Pope Francis' Death Mean for LGBT Catholics? 9:21

8 weeks тому9:21

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Pope Francis has passed. And as someone who was once on the path to becoming a conservative Catholic priest—and now lives openly as a gay man—his death hits hard. In this video, I break down what Pope Francis actually did for LGBTQ Catholics. From his famous “Who am I to judge?” to his quiet yet revolutionary support of queer ministries, this pope changed the vibe of the church, even if he never changed the doctrine. For outsiders, it may be hard to grasp how radical just saying “You are welcome here” really was. In this episode, I reflect on his legacy, what’s at stake in the election of the next pope, and why so many LGBTQ Catholics now feel uncertain and afraid. If you want to join the conversation, hop in my Discord or support this work on Patreon 00:00 Introduction and Personal Background 00:36 Pope Francis' Approach to LGBTQ Issues 01:04 Key Moments and Quotes from Pope Francis 01:45 Pope Francis' Actions 02:35 Impact on LGBTQ Catholics 04:02 Pope Francis' Legacy and Media Strategy 06:33 Concerns About the Future of the Church 09:08 Final Thoughts and Call to Action To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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the STRANGEST anti-gay philosophical arguments I've ever heard - w/ @Kenapologeticscatholic 1:23:16

9 weeks тому1:23:16

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In this episode of the Intrinsically Ordered Podcast, I sit down with Minh ( @Kenapologeticscatholic ) a Catholic apologist and street evangelist, for one of the most intense and philosophical debates I’ve had on the show. We dive deep into the question of homosexuality from Catholic, secular, and philosophical angles—covering everything from natural law, metaethics, and sexual ethics to kink, bestiality, and gender abolition. As a queer ex-Catholic, I challenge Minh on the idea that gay sex is somehow less moral or meaningful. Minh presents two dense arguments based on Catholic philosophy—and I try to pull them apart with both real-world data and a more progressive ethical lens. This one isn’t for the faint of heart—but it’s a vital, rigorous discussion about what it means to be moral, sexual, and human. YouTube: youtube.com/@kenapologeticscatholic Instagram: kenio02 Gmail: minhhoangkinhthanh@gmail.com Discord: kenapologeticscatholic 0:00 – Introducing Minh & the Debate Framework 3:12 – My Argument: Homosexuality Doesn’t Cause Harm 7:30 – Minh’s Claim: Morality Needs God 12:42 – Can You Prove Gay Relationships Are Good? 19:05 – “The Slavery Analogy” – Minh’s First Counter 24:40 – The Burden of Proof Debate 30:18 – Minh’s Argument #1: Bisexuality is Morally Preferable 40:11 – I Respond: Love Isn’t a Math Problem 47:50 – Minh’s Argument #2: Empty Pleasure & Gay Sex 59:15 – Can Gay Love Be Romantic Without Reproduction? 1:05:22 – Ice Cream, Moms, and Lesbian Dates 1:12:10 – Consent, Sex, and Society’s Role 1:18:44 – Closing Thoughts & Where to Find Minh To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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Why I Treat Homophobic Christians Like Vegans 13:37

9 weeks тому13:37

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In today's episode, I unpack the mental model I use when Christians try to impose their beliefs—especially around queer rights. I compare their moral arguments to veganism (yes, really) to show how the more forcefully someone wants to control others, the more evidence they need to bring to the table. Faith alone doesn’t cut it. I walk through four levels of moral imperatives and the kind of proof each one demands. From personal convictions to theocratic dogma, I explain why your certainty should match your evidence—especially if you're trying to take away my rights. This isn’t just theology—it’s epistemology. 00:00 – I Treat Homophobic Christians Like Vegans 00:30 – What Counts as a Moral Imperative? 01:00 – My Journey: From Latin Mass to Deconstruction 01:36 – Level 1: Personal Belief Requires No Proof 02:57 – Level 2: Gentle Advocacy Needs Some Evidence 05:02 – Level 3: Telling Others What to Do? Prove It. 07:46 – Level 4: Forcing Belief = Irrefutable Proof Required 10:50 – Don't Get Stuck in the Weeds—Know the Burden 13:00 – Final Advice for Deconstructing Listeners To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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How to Leave Catholicism/High-Control Religion & Stay Happy w/ Evelyn from Leave Laugh Love 1:11:37

10 weeks тому1:11:37

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Leaving a fundamentalist or conservative form of Catholicism is more than just walking away from a church—it’s walking away from an entire worldview, identity, and sometimes your community. In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, Evelyn from the podcast Leave Laugh Love joins us for an honest, vulnerable, and occasionally funny conversation about leaving faith as a queer person. We talk about the emotional process of leaving, what healing looks like, building a new life, and practical steps for anyone questioning their faith. Whether you’re deconstructing, doubting, or just curious, this is for you. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:27 Evelyn's Background and Journey 01:30 Starting the Podcast and Providing Resources 02:11 Personal Stories of Faith and Doubt 03:20 Understanding Fundamentalist Catholicism 05:50 The Process of Deconstruction 08:49 Navigating Relationships and Friendships 15:54 Making Practical Plans to Leave 18:19 The Role of Therapy and Support Networks 25:00 Life After Leaving Religion 38:09 Sunday Mornings Without Mass 38:35 Navigating Belief and Morality 39:06 Empathy and Self-Discovery 41:44 Finding Purpose After Leaving Religion 42:47 Exploring New Communities and Hobbies 44:34 Redefining Life and Meaning 49:20 Grieving and Reconstructing 52:17 Navigating Relationships Post-Religion 55:42 Embracing a New Life 01:05:23 Final Thoughts and Resources To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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What Sends You to Hell in Catholicism? Apologist & Atheist Debate Catholic Teaching 56:44

10 weeks тому56:44

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In this episode of the Intrinsically Ordered Podcast, I sit down with guest Cameron Riecker, a prominent Catholic YouTuber, discuss the complexities and uncertainties within Catholic moral teaching. We dive deep into the distinctions between venial and mortal sins, the ambiguity in moral guidelines, and the impact of these ambiguities on the lives of faithful Catholics. Cameron shares his personal journey into Catholicism and offers his perspective on dealing with moral dilemmas and church teachings. The conversation touches on practical examples such as the morality of certain sexual acts within marriage and what is permissible on Sundays, highlighting the challenges of living a Catholic life amid differing interpretations and teachings. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction 01:37 Discussion on Venial vs. Mortal Sins 05:17 Examples of Disagreement Among Catholics 07:47 Analogies and Moral Principles 10:44 Debating Moral Ambiguities 12:31 The Role of Church Authority and Flexibility 19:20 Moral Obligations and Reduced Culpability 27:22 Debating Catholic Teachings on Foreplay 28:00 Historical Context and Church Rulings 29:18 Moral Obligations and Church Authority 30:38 Controversies on Sunday Activities 31:26 Theological Nuances and Personal Interpretations 34:56 Pragmatic Concerns and Faith 41:03 God's Will and Human Understanding 51:01 Closing Thoughts and Reflections To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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101 Ways to Go To Hell in Catholicism (And Why It Makes No Sense) 10:19

10 weeks тому10:19

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In this episode, I discuss my journey from being a traditional Catholic to questioning and ultimately leaving the faith. I delve into the ambiguities and contradictions within Catholic teachings about sin and morality. Sharing personal stories, I highlight the lack of clarity on what actions might lead someone to hell. Using a Spider-Man meme analogy, I illustrate the contradictory views held by different Catholic authorities. I question the Church's claims of having definitive answers to moral issues, pointing out the inconsistencies and confusion among priests and church documents. Join me as I explore these complexities and talk about how my life has improved since moving away from fundamentalist Catholicism. 00:00 Introduction: A Personal Story 00:33 Questioning Catholic Teachings 00:56 About the Channel 01:18 Understanding Catholic Sins 03:20 The Spider-Man Meme: Illustrating Contradictions 04:43 The Confusion of Catholic Doctrine 05:55 The Gray Areas of Morality 07:59 The Subjectivity of Sin 09:24 Conclusion: Moving Beyond Traditional Catholicism To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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The False Promises of Traditional Catholicism - Inside Catholicism's Most Radical Sect 41:37

11 weeks тому41:37