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Most people flip houses, become a landlord, or purchase properties to get the most returns in real estate. But for George Salas, he found an incredible opportunity in short-term rentals, where a lot of people don't even consider. He joins Keith Baker to delve into how rent arbitrage increased his ROI significantly. He shares how he acquires his financing and puts together ample funding to keep the ball rolling. George also explains how he deepens relationships with the people that he trains, eventually building joint ventures.
George Salas On Getting Long-Lasting Revenue Through Short-Term Rentals
Learn How Rent Arbitrage Can Increase Your ROI
If you're a regular reader to this show, then you know that I do my best to keep the topics of the interviews either strictly private lending-related or at least interesting from a different investment or personal perspective. The topic of the episode is no different as guest George Salas is flip and crushing it in the short-term rental space.
I met him at a Mastermind in Key West and I'm happy that we connected. I got on the plane to fly to Key West. I did not want to go. It had extremely limiting beliefs and yet is one of the best things I've done. I love to know stories of innovators and how people pivot when times change or when they get bad, and given the recent COVID scamdemic and the current bubble and the retail housing market.
It's a real disease. All that stuff is over 99% survival rate. It's a flipping scamdemic. We are in a bubble. I'm calling it. Greenspan said, "You can't see a bubble until you're beyond it or it's burst." I'm calling it a bubble. More than $50,000 above ask in the market is a bubble. You can bookmark this show and can come back to it and give me grief or cheer me on when I'm proven right.
I couldn't think of a better time to introduce you to my guest and his business model. The best thing of all is that George Salas is crushing the short-term rental game right here in Houston, in H-Town, which makes my smile a little bit bigger. Let's go ahead and get down to the brass tacks of the show and straight to the interview with George Salas.
George, welcome to the show.
Thank you very much, Keith. It is an absolute honor to be here.
I'm looking forward to you to explain your business model. That is, you don't flip, landlord, own or finance but you do short-term rentals. I'm going to give you the floor. Tell us how you got into real estate, short-term rentals and the basic mechanics of your business.
My journey started when I was six years old. I'm sitting in the living room of my parents' house. My mom and dad pulled my brother and me aside and said, "Guys, we need to talk to you. You're going to go to your grandma's. You're going to stay there for a little bit." This is from a city by the name of Lima in Peru, the capital. We moved to a small town.
It was just my mom. It was an environment where I get to stand by my dad. We left that city into a small little town and then the town was 20,000 people. I didn't get to see my father for nine years but he came back again into my life. We were moving here to the US. I came when I was fifteen. I wouldn't get to say bye to him twice and it affected me my entire life until I realized that I didn't need to be better for my dad.
I didn't need to be in a place I’m good enough because I felt I wasn't good enough. I felt that because my father was never a great provider. We moved here. All through my young 15, 18 to 20, I was a grocery stacker. I worked at Kmart. Then I got into the nightlife and I invested in a nightclub. I was in the nightlife for ten years. I was the number one top promoter in Houston for 7 or 8 years.
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All of a sudden, I had the opportunity to invest in a club. I had a bunch of money saved up. I did invest in the venue and then I ended up losing everything. Here I am in the city. I had invested $400,000 into a club that I didn't have control over. I didn't have knowledge about real estate. I lost every penny of it. I'm sitting in the living room of my apartment at the time and I don't know what to do with my life. I'm literally lost. My buddy Ben Franklin called me. We go to his property in Flint. We spent 3 to 4 hours there and something clicks in my head with all of this inspiration.
That was a life life-changing phone call. I started training, taking courses, going to seminars. I went to a seminar in January of 2019. Four months later, I got my first flip. I did start flipping. I want it to be this real estate guy. I wanted to do a lot of deals and build an impact on real estate without knowing that you needed to have a lot of money to invest in real estate if you want to buy, fix and flip.
You need $50,000, $60,000. For DLS, you do what we do. At the time, we didn't have the resources or knowledge to do it. I made $46,000 on my first flip in 2018. Then six months later, I figured out what wholesaling was. By the end of that year, I had brought $98,000 of wholesale fees and used that cash. This is from the $5,000 in my pocket keys.
I use that cash to put into my first twenty rental arbitrage, Airbnb that had cashflowed me $2,500. It's little apartments, studios and I started with those. Since then, until now I've been able to build a six-figure business a month. Our short-term rental business does $150,000 a month. I've done 50 real estate deals in two and a half years.
I've got an amazing network of friends like yourself and in the know of all of the real estate community here in Houston. I'm in the best time of my life. I'm happy, fulfilled, fulfilling my destiny. It all started with that phone call and making those bad decisions. Sometimes bad decisions aren't as bad if you can learn from them. If you can turn everything around and just make something completely drastic. Look for that thing that you're wanting to find, which was a success in real estate and then I reached out to short-term rentals. That's pretty much a breakdown.
It's compelling because I find it funny that I had to go to Key West and meet you, even though we're right here in Houston. I've seen you come up on Facebook back in the good old days when we went to REIA meetings in person. I'll even throw John Jackson in there in Dallas. I'll include him. It is a very good supportive network.
The event, it's the same as I. It makes all the difference when you have people that you feel have your back or going to shoot you straight on something. To your point, if you mess up and you have a loss, it's either have a win or a lesson. That's the way it is. As long as you own the loss, then it's a lesson and you keep moving forward. You get into the typical way. You've wholesaled. By wholesaling, you know how to analyze a deal and see where the spread is and the margin, “What's the rehab going to cost this stuff?”
As we were talking in the pre-show, you're buying single-family residences, condos or studios. The SFR, the single-family concept but you run them not like your normal rental. If you get $300 cashflow positive a month, you're doing well. You're bringing the apartment cashflow syndication model and that's what the short-term rentals do. When you acquire, how are you financing? Are you using a bank or private money? What mechanisms and cash are you using to acquire your property?
When acquiring, we have a few strategies. I'm going to talk about purchase strategy and non-purchase. We use a method called rental arbitrage keys. This method breaks down like this. You go to a landlord, rent the property and ask them to allow you to sublease it on short-term rental platforms for 3, 4, 5, 6 to 30 days.
That's one method and it doesn't require you buying the property. Utilizing this big real estate. I'm talking about 3,000, 4,000, 5,000 square foot homes without having a buyer. If they bring in anywhere between 5, 7, 8, 10, we've got several houses doing $15,000 up a month. I'm talking about that method. What we've purchased, which we also do, I would say 60% of our portfolio is rental arbitrage, 20% is purchased direct and about 20% is purchased joint ventures.
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We've got a few. We purchased via subject-to, partnerships, joint ventures and our corporate program. What we do for subject-to is we're taking over the payments, taxes, HOA fees and commitment with these wholesalers or landlords or sellers. We're taking the deed over to our property, and we're staging. For example, we have a property in Hawthorne, Texas, which launched in December of 2019 and it consistently brings in an average of $7,500. We just have a $50,000 reservation for 62 nights. Before what we did a little bit under $7,500 but it averages $7,500.
Our mortgage is 60, 48 and that's PITI all in. We do our cleaning and everything. We're all in for about $2,500 max utilities, $400 or $500 cleaning supplies, $2,500, so that's an $800 or $900 on top of our mortgage. Anything above $2,500 is profit. That's what I meant. Do you have any questions about that one?
It was different of words. I was going to ask when you say rental arbitrage is that you get a master lease on the property. You lease it from the landlord, sublet it nightly on the short-term VRBO or Airbnb model. The master lease might not be the right word but you lease the house, pay the monthly, you divvy it out and book it. That's a very clean model. I create financing but I like to keep the numbers simple. To me, that keeps it simple.
This is how I started. I needed cashflow to build a business. I didn't have the money to buy it. Even though I got into purchases several and we own about ten, we did not have the capital to buy a bunch. That was just the method. We don't use master leases but a master lease would speak, in a sense, more of a triple net lease, a commercial lease. It's closer to that when you control everything you take of the maintenance.
Master lease, you take care of everything. You're taking care of your maintenance and all of that thing. With houses which is our method now, we don't go off with apartments anymore because the houses are ten times more profit. I'm just being very conservative. We utilize these residential leases. We do 2, 3 to 7-year leases with initial terms of a minimum 2 to 3 and second terms where we create that option for us.
"We have to take care of your property. Let's do a six-year term but I'm going to come in and rent your property for three years.” In our next two years, let's figure out, what is it that you need for rent increase? Most people right now are getting the max ever the rent. Rents are up by 20% here. We negotiate that second term and the rent increases as low as possible. It's got to be favorable for both parties and we would just focus on these longer leases. Everybody makes fun.
That's your rental arbitrage. When you purchase, you get them sub-to. That's smart. I assume you leave it as long as you can in that original name. Do you put it into a trust?
When we purchase sub-to, we put them into a trust immediately and one of my LLC is the trustee LLC. Then I've got a separate LLC that is the beneficiary. Then we just leave it there. Not saying that you don't run into issues. This is a creative finance strategy. Sometimes if the wholesaler doesn't do a good job explaining all of the little points that you've got to touch, all the disclosures, sometimes we run into an issue that is very unlucky that the seller falls for bankruptcy.
Then it complicates the whole entire transaction. We're figuring this out with one of our sub-tos, but if you do it the right way, the only problem is that you can call the note due if they wish to. Most of the time, 95%, 97%, maybe 90%, it doesn't happen.
I've never had a seller file bankruptcy but I did have a tenant one time in my failed Baytown rental property. The judge gave him four months of rent-free living. The bankruptcy is going to probably get messy before it gets clean. I would like to know about how that turns out for you? I know that you like to partner with your students.
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You offer coaching strictly in the short-term rental arena. I liked the model because you bring them up and then you become business partners with them. You got to be careful. A lot of the wholesalers, the first three deals you got to split with me. Once you train these folks up and you go into a JV, what does that look like?
What we're doing is we're internally launching and we've launched it already. Nothing is out in the known yet in the community. What we do is we train these folks which our students are real estate investors because our focus is helping real estate investors get to that six-figure short-term rental cashflow.
Sometimes some of these real estate investors are busy with their wholesaling business, realtor business. They're busy with their subject to creative finance business fix and flip or landlord. They have a lot of properties. What we do is we give them the option. There's no, "You have to partner. We come and train you." If you have too much on your plate, we give that only the students that have been qualified.
Meaning, you've got to have an X credit score, pre-qualify, X amount of funds to be able to do that, because if we launch and buy properties. Buying properties is one thing but buying properties with someone you're teaching and making sure you do this on a consistent basis than others because you ran out of money and that messes the whole entire thing up.
We do the option and our methods are very precautionary. I've called it location process frequents. We party with them 50/50. We go out there, find the deal and rehab it. The studio will purchase it in their LLC or their name or whatever. We use the student's cash or credit. The students bring into cash or credit and they bring into private money.
In a sense, we teach them every step of the deal as if they were doing it because we're doing it together as partners. We teach them as far as so, the students come to the property with us to do the analysis of making sure that the property's numbers are going to work. We meet there to assess the rehab with the contractor. Then we also take them there. We deal with the rehab and we're showing them exactly the back end, the front end how the entire properties have staged the sign.
They're not doing it themselves. We're doing it together. My team is providing the labor, the steps. They're seeing all the steps. Everything is getting executed and they're learning. Most people learn what they do. They're doing with us. Then we turn around and refine the property and deed it over onto our partnership LLC or limited partnership. We all make money. Go home. We have the process in the back. They can do whatever they want and pick the same process and then just rinse and repeat.
In an average ballpark deal, how much does a student need to bring in private money? With sub-to, it’s going to be less but if you're getting in, what was the average buy-in? If I was going to fund one of your students, how much and how long would it need to be out?
The average buy-in depends on the property but we estimate with the down payment costs, as we buy correctly, which is always 75% to 80%, 82% because you can't find anything above that. We're closing with a property this first week of June and this one is pretty much at 78%. They're putting up $40,000, $50,000 on the down payment side of the short-term loan.
On the refinance, if all things work out, our appraisals are coming back, so I'll find out. After figuring out and seeing all the comps we're estimating, you never know what the place was, though but the market is fairly high right now. We're estimating anywhere between 4 or 25 for this deal, maybe 4 or 50. We're going to be in cash out of pocket 30 to 40 max, maybe even less.
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That includes the short-term loan, the rehab loan and all that. They're going to be cash out of pocket. Then after that, they are all refinanced but they are all carry across, which some tax could roll a little bit above or beyond if things get complicated. All the refinance there are costs for staging. For example, this property is 5,000 square feet but it's going to bring in about $15,000 to $20,000 a month.
We are estimating about $25,000 to $30,000 on the furnace sheets and about $5,000 to $7,500 on the labor, maybe a little lower. You're putting 3540 plus 3540. Maybe a miscellaneous, we estimate 80 to 100 per deal but then you turn around and bring back in an average after the 50/50 split on this deal, our projections for the partner on that 80 to 100 is $3,000 to $4,000. If you do the Math times twelve, that's about 48% annually over a period of five years, which is our term. That's about 200% to 250% of IRR.
When you bring it into the refi, are you going with community banks that are providing your refinancing?
It's going to be either your credit union, an investor loan or just a regular type of financing. One of those three, depending because 80% cash-out refi and we're at 80% on the refi LTV, then we're good.
You're not going to Freddie or Fannie to refinance these. What it means is that if you go to a traditional bank, you're going to get a lot of flak trying to refinance. When I've been refinanced out of bridge loans or acquisition loans, it's never been with the bank I'm familiar with but in some credit union or a community bank and they'll take it all day long because it's backed by real estate and the big banks won't touch it. I was curious. You are getting biz mortgages to refi. Let me just run through the timeline. You buy it, rehab it, appraise it. You're refinancing the short-term money for 3 to 6 months before you refi it?
Up to six.
Do you have a five-year term on that?
Five-year term after we refi. That's when we decide, "We're going to sell or not." The market should be up. There is going to be a certain small cost you're going to have to do in five years.
I understand that you are considering trying to put some money together for a fund so that you can have an ample supply. This is not an