#302 | The Cultures Of Animals w/ Carl Safina

Last Born In The Wilderness

[Intro: 9:24] Ecologist and prolific author Carl Safina joins me to discuss his work with the more-than-human (animal) world, particularly his writings about the cultures and emotional lives of various animal communities, beautifully documented in two of his most recent books, 'Beyond Words: What Animals Think and Feel' and 'Becoming Wild: How Animal Cultures Raise Families, Create Beauty, and Achieve Peace.' Human beings, or to be more specific, human beings within modern industrial cultures, tend to believe that Homo sapiens are the only species on Earth that are cultural. As Safina has documented in his work, this is simply not the case. Numerous species have culture, including, but not limited to, various primates, birds, and whales. What we can learn about the evolutionary function of culture from these animal communities, including the role the perception and appreciation of beauty, plays in the evolutionary process? At the very end of this interview, I ask Safina to discuss his appreciation of Herman Melville's epic novel 'Moby Dick,' represented in his essay 'Melville’s Whale Was a Warning We Failed to Heed' published in The New York Times. Carl Safina’s lyrical non-fiction writing explores how humans are changing the living world, and what the changes mean for non-human beings and for us all. His work fuses scientific understanding, emotional connection, and a moral call to action. His writing has won a MacArthur “genius” prize; Pew, Guggenheim, and National Science Foundation Fellowships; book awards from Lannan, Orion, and the National Academies; and the John Burroughs, James Beard, and George Rabb medals. He grew up raising pigeons, training hawks and owls, and spending as many days and nights in the woods and on the water as he could. Safina is now the first Endowed Professor for Nature and Humanity at Stony Brook University and is founding president of the not-for-profit Safina Center. He hosted the PBS series Saving the Ocean, which can be viewed free at PBS.org. His writing appears in The New York Times, TIME, The Guardian, Audubon, Yale e360, and National Geographic, and on the Web at Huffington Post, CNN.com, Medium, and elsewhere. Safina is the author of ten books including the classic 'Song for the Blue Ocean,' as well as New York Times Bestseller 'Beyond Words; What Animals Think and Feel.' His most recent book is 'Becoming Wild; How Animal Cultures Raise Families, Create Beauty, and Achieve Peace.' He lives on Long Island, New York, with his wife Patricia and their dogs and feathered friends. Episode Notes: - Learn more about Carl Safina and The Safina Center: https://www.carlsafina.org / https://www.safinacenter.org - Read 'Avoiding a ‘Ghastly Future’: Hard Truths on the State of the Planet' and 'Melville’s Whale Was a Warning We Failed to Heed': https://bit.ly/3gUbZ0o / https://nyti.ms/3jCkTkN - Purchase 'Beyond Words' and 'Becoming Wild' through Bookshop: https://bit.ly/3BvKO3O / https://bit.ly/3kL13Dm - The music featured is by Waxie: https://waxiemusiclibrary.com WEBSITE: https://www.lastborninthewilderness.com PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/lastborninthewilderness DONATE: https://www.paypal.me/lastbornpodcast / https://venmo.com/LastBornPodcast BOOK LIST: https://bookshop.org/shop/lastbornpodcast EPISODE 300: https://lastborninthewilderness.bandcamp.com BOOK: http://bit.ly/ORBITgr ATTACK & DETHRONE: https://anchor.fm/adgodcast DROP ME A LINE: Call [phone] or http://bit.ly/LBWfiledrop EVERYTHING ELSE: https://linktr.ee/patterns.of.behavior