S05 Episode 238 | Best friends Jazmine (@thatcurlytop) & Gabby (@gabrielasage) on reclaiming "influence" & finding balance as content creators and sustainable fashion advocates

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In episode 238, Kestrel welcomes Jazmine Rogers (AKA @thatcurlytop) and Gabby Masuda Ambata (AKA @gabrielasage) to the show. A Black + Mexican creator, Jazmine is passionate about sustainable fashion and living, and sharing about it in a fun and graceful way. A Japanese American digital creator, Gabby is focused on sustainable fashion and lifestyle, and she’s also a mental health advocate.

“I’m trying to reclaim the word influence because I think the word is so special and so powerful. Like I said earlier — it’s such an honor to be able to influence others to do things. Like with all things with capitalism, it just takes it and commodifies it, but I think we can go back to the definition of what influence is, which is to have an effect on others, and I want to be a positive influence and a good influence to encourage others to think new ways and try new things and be encouraged and be empowered.” -Jazmine

On this week’s show, Jazmine and Gabby share more about how they first met in college, and how valuable their friendship has been in the process of navigating their individual growth in the “influencer” space, while advocating for people and the planet.

We also explore the meaning of “influence”, whether or not Gabby and Jazmine identify as “influencers”, and some of the ways they are in favor of reclaiming the word to represent the work that they’re doing today. Jazmine and Gabby also share some of their thoughts on the complexities of growing your following amidst trauma.

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